Roo ([info]3_foot_6) wrote,
@ 2008-04-02 17:21:00
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Ain't no wank like a Hogwarts Elite wank
I feel like I ought to defend everyone who got hurt today, because I've noticed that angry people don't always articulate the way they mean to. So in an effort to smooth over hurt feelings all around - we Slytherins are diplomats, because diplomatic people earn loyal followers when the revolution occurs - here's what I think.

(My big fat top-of-the-post disclaimer: I am not personally angry with any Ravenclaws, or even Ravenclaw house as a whole. I am not defriending anyone over this. I am only attempting to calmly and rationally point out to Ravenclaw house why their joke was not, by and large, well-recieved. I'm also plagiarizing most of this from myself in a comment to [info]arasan earlier, if you're having a sense of deja vu.)

A lot of nasty things were said today, some of them in jest, some of them over-the-top outrageous, but here's the thing - you can't joke around if you're not in on the joke. It's not the pretend nastiness of the Claws who were in it that made the whole thing spectacularly unfunny, it's the real nastiness of everyone who wasn't. It's as though you jokingly call me a bitch, and I, not knowing you're joking, reply that you're a self-absorbed slut. You might have been joking, but I wasn't, and we both know it. And I can't take it back. And it's just THERE, this very real ugliness hanging between us that can't be dismissed as all in good fun.

And so we were all forced into this position of not only having been played, but also having been provoked into being the bad guys, because we don't get to dismiss anything on the grounds of a prank. Somehow "I was joking!" "...UH ME TOO" doesn't quite cut it. I know a lot of Claws have assured us that they're not angry about anything that was said, given the context, but I don't like that it was said at all, you know?

On a different tack, you've got to take into account that some people just naturally don't like being pranked. (I'm one of them.) Some of you have thick skins or grew up with lots of good-natured ribbing or just really like pranks, but some of us don't, and I don't have a lot of tolerance for the "Lighten up, it was just a joke!" defense. For many people, being the butt of a joke is a touchy subject. I'm not saying that you should never pull a prank so no one's ickle feelings get hurt, but I do think that you should never pull a prank UNTIL you're able to accept that for every person who says "LOL GOOD ONE," another is going to be really unhappy with you for it, and that is their right. It doesn't make them humorless, it makes them human. It means they have sore spots that you don't have.

Lastly - because this is an English Essay on the Etiquette of Pranking, and my points must run "First," "Then," and "Lastly" - I gotta admit, I just didn't find the whole thing funny IN CONTEXT. The context, of course, being, "Hey, look! A bunch of Ravenclaws saying really cunty, out-of-character things, which is obviously a joke because none of them would seriously SAY something like that!" But look, I'm gonna paint myself as your target audience here, which is to say a longtime [info]hogwarts_elite member (...holy shit, two years this week) who's pretty familiar with Ravenclaw house (I can't swear to this, but I THINK I've got more Claws on my friendslist than any other house) and I was not that blown away by the outrageousness. No, no, I'm not saying I think you guys are a bunch of bitches, but the fact is that I don't know everyone in the house, and for many that I do know, I don't know you well enough to say that you'd NEVER be a bitch, just that you USUALLY aren't. So no, I can't say that finding out that some of my friends sort of suck is my idea of a scream. "Aw, why is so-and-so acting like such a BITCH? I thought she was cool," was pretty much my end reaction. (It's nice to find out you all were joking and do not, in fact, suck, but neither is it all that funny, in my estimation.) And if I feel this way from MY perspective, which is to say that of an old-timer, I really can't imagine how alienated I would have felt witnessing this when I was a hatchling. I think I would have turned in my wand and backed away from the crazy.

So, to the Ravenclaws - kudos on coming up with and executing what was, in theory, a pretty epic joke. Just please try to understand why not everyone was happy about it?

Now go toss some jizz in the Snaps Cup and love each other a little bit more.



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[info]zia_narratora
2008-04-03 12:10 am UTC (link)
I would agree with your last point. Part of the unfunniness of it was that it wasn't outrageous enough. If people had started mocking each other's poop color, I would have to argue that thinking it was serious was ridiculous. And while most of the people involved usually aren't bitchy to people without reason, almost all of them are people who can lay the smack down good when someone really deserves it. When I first saw it, before anyone told me it was a joke, that was my reaction. It was "why are these normally level-headed people being cunty about something irrational?" not "this must be fake because they're being cunty about something irrational."

Edited at 2008-04-03 12:11 am UTC

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[info]cacophonesque
2008-04-03 12:16 am UTC (link)
I'm still trying to catch up on all of this, but here's the thing:

Most of the Ravenclaws that I've been talking to DID think that they were being totally outrageous.

And that's all that I'm going to say on that for now.

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[info]zia_narratora
2008-04-03 12:50 am UTC (link)
I was in the chat with everybody while the prank was going on. I thought it was funny from the parts I was taking part in. [info]_samalander and I were having a really funny flamewar where I told her I should be in charge of making the doorknob riddles.

But some of the things that were said to me would definitely have been hurtful if I hadn't been involved. The problem is that I think that in a couple cases there was very poor judgment involved in terms of whom to direct insults at. And they were directed at people who didn't know the people well enough to know that they were outrageous. I think if it had only been played among the core group's friends,we would all have been able to tell they were joking. Because it was played among people who are essentially strangers, the weirdness factor probably needed to be upped.

Since I was there for most of it and know what was being said, I definitely think that a very limited number of people did anything that was really hurtful. The problem is that they're not the ones who are taking the brunt of this and they're not the ones feeling guilty and now feeling put-upon because people are so upset.

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[info]cacophonesque
2008-04-03 12:57 am UTC (link)
And I couldn't keep up with all of the comment threads from work, so I didn't see anything hurtful. Which doesn't mean it wasn't there, just that I can't judge any of it or assess the situation that well.

All I know is that I am now outraged that I, and many people I care for, are being demonized and villified, simply for being members of Ravenclaw. At worst the House as a whole pulled an unfunny prank. Individuals may have crossed the line, and the people who planned it might not have done well (incidentally, one of the reasons it "dragged on for so long" was that there was a desire to give other time zones the chance to participate), but the level of generalized hostility going on right now is WAY MORE UNCOOL in my opinion.

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[info]zia_narratora
2008-04-03 01:08 am UTC (link)
I'm seeing hostility on both sides, tbh. And I'm angry that people whom I consider friends are being made to feel shitty when they were definitely not the ones contributing to the really nasty stuff. I'm likewise angry that the people who were nastiest are the ones telling the people they hurt to 'stop being butthurt' and acting like the people who are mad are mad because they got fooled, when they're mad because they were treated very hurtfully by people who thought it was funny to tell them they were stupid or useless in any context. I definitely think it's completely absurd for people to be heaping abuse on targets they shouldn't, but I don't think that's what [info]3_foot_6 and I are talking about here. We're not saying that it was anyone's fault that things didn't read as outrageous enough to a large portion of the community. There's a difference between trying to place blame (which we're not) and trying to dissect the situation in an objective manner, which is what we're both trying to do.

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[info]3_foot_6
2008-04-03 01:27 am UTC (link)
This, yes! You always say it better than I could. :D I feel like I'm not making it clear enough that I'm absolutely not trying to blame anyone in Ravenclaw and I'm not mad at anyone. I'm just explaining why I don't think it's fair to characterize everyone who didn't appreciate the joke as Queens of Whiny and Butthurt.

(Also, you're the one that finally clued me in that it was a joke before the Big Reveal. Someone said something nasty to you and I was like, "Why the hell isn't Tea ripping them a new one? ...UNLESS SHE KNOWS SOMETHING.")

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[info]zia_narratora
2008-04-03 01:59 am UTC (link)
I wasn't ripping them a new one because I think that was the part where I went to convince people that Hufflepuffs required all new entrants to take their photo with a crippled puppy. I was honestly trying to make all my arguments as stupid as humanly possible :-P

But that's exactly it. There are some people who had their feelings really hurt, and they and their friends have a right to be upset about that and talk about it. On the other hand, there are some people who have been treated really badly over their involvement in the prank, and they have a right to be upset and talk about it, too.

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[info]much_reality
2008-04-03 02:12 am UTC (link)
I was dying to ask you if they had to cripple their own puppy, or if that was just a Slytherin requirement. But figured as I'm not officially a member anymore butting in wouldn't have been very polite.

But yes, that thread made me laugh a lot.

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[info]zia_narratora
2008-04-03 02:14 am UTC (link)
No, no, Slytherins have to submit to a blood test and bring a pedigree chart!

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[info]callmecaito
2008-04-03 11:00 am UTC (link)
Jeez, Gryffindors don't have to bring anything. We're happy if they bring booze and maybe remember to wear underpants.

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[info]rowena742
2008-04-03 03:50 am UTC (link)
I feel like I'm not making it clear enough that I'm absolutely not trying to blame anyone in Ravenclaw and I'm not mad at anyone.

No, you are! In fact, you're doing such a good job that I'm really not sure what to say in response other than...well, "good job."

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[info]3_foot_6
2008-04-03 01:20 am UTC (link)
See, so much of how you interpret this has to do with how jaded you are - I guess I hesitate to say it wasn't "outrageous enough" because I don't want to make it seem as though I'm saying Claws are normally bitches and this was just par for the course or something. (Really, I'm not! I love you guys!)

But I'm a member of pretty much every snark community there is ([info]stupid_free is my HOMEPAGE, for christsakes) and so, frankly, I witness people acting far more insane over things even more inane than a pretend version of Hogwarts on a daily basis. I've seen how hard otherwise normal people can wank when the mood strikes them. So that's why it wasn't outrageous enough to be obvious to me, anyway. I need things spelled out for me in giant letters - J! O! K! E! - or else it's just, you know, more wank on the intertubes.

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[info]zia_narratora
2008-04-03 02:00 am UTC (link)
omg did you see my prank from yesterday? I am going to post it in my lj in a bit because omg. It was in [info]bad_rpers_suck. And I think it's a good example of exactly how outrageous a prank needs to be.

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[info]circusrunaway
2008-04-03 03:11 am UTC (link)
you don't know me, but people were talking on my flist about whether or not your BRPS post was a prank or not! I am QUITE relieved to know that it was :D not that your prank wasn't outrageous enough, more like a sad statement on just how bad bad RP can get.

I haven't been a member of h_e for awhile, and I'm sad to see all this drama going on :/ I hope that everything gets smoothed over and there's no real permanent damage.

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[info]zia_narratora
2008-04-03 03:17 am UTC (link)
OMG people were really talking about it?! Link?! Hahahaha that is amazing. And yeah. For me, the point is to keep people guessing, so you get people assuming it's a prank and then do something that makes them think it's not, then do something that makes them think it is.

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[info]circusrunaway
2008-04-03 03:58 am UTC (link)
[info]padme_onna posted about it, although it's friends-only.

I think people discussing it on their LJs definitely makes it a successful prank :D

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[info]finchburg
2008-04-03 12:36 am UTC (link)
It's like you are reading my mind with this. Everything you say is exactly what I want to say but you word it so much better, lol.

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[info]guiltycross
2008-04-03 01:17 am UTC (link)
Very well said. Your original comment over at [info]arasan's journal brought out a few other things that I'm tempted to add in my own LJ because I feel they need to be said but haven't been said yet - at least not explicitly.

You nailed it though. Even if it was a joke, you say something you mean jokingly and it might not be taken that way. Not everyone thinks the same way, and if you take it seriously. Well. Wankapolooza. I just don't think Ravenclaw as a whole should be blamed. Just the individuals who did cross the line. Because it was mildly amusing for the first little while and the 'Claw infighting wasn't a bad read. But when it spread? Ouch. And then rubbing in the idea that they're just mad because they've been pranked? As I was reading the thread I expected outraged Gryffs and 'Puffs to respond to the situation, and like you, I don't think that those involved handled that rebuttle well.

It would have been hilarious had it been a contained incident where everyone involved went 'surprise buttsex april fools!' But it wasn't. So now everyone's friends list is spammed with 2342957 million posts on the matter while we attempt to ego stroke each other into a memory lapse over in the snap(e)s cup (not that I'm objecting to this behaviour, I just find that sentence amusing). So as I've asserted since I read the whole thing: A+ for the idea. F for the execution.

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[info]silyara
2008-04-03 03:23 am UTC (link)
My main problem with the reactions to it is that the hurt and rage isn't limited to only the ravenclaws who crossed the line. And most of those Ravenclaws - that I've heard named as crossing the line - have apologized.

But anyway, I think perhaps the claws were expecting too much logical analysis and research by those being pranked <.< (the whole trying to figure out if the person is for real or not). And maybe that was the problem?

I don't know. Anyway, hi, you both seem thoughtful. Yay. :)

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[info]callmecaito
2008-04-03 10:55 am UTC (link)
you should never pull a prank UNTIL you're able to accept that for every person who says "LOL GOOD ONE," another is going to be really unhappy with you for it, and that is their right.

Wordburger with wordsauce and wordsalad on the side.

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